Interview with Pastor Sam Jones

I set out on this journey as a private growth challenge. I knew that, sooner or later, I’d method the topic of how the Bible, and those that consider in it, see homosexuality.

Our native pridefest is that this week, so I’m skipping a number of each day studying posts to debate the subject from a wide range of angles. I’m not claiming to characterize your entire LGBTQ+ neighborhood. These are my opinions and beliefs and I’m not going to faux they apply to a whole group of individuals.

Right this moment’s video (which can probably be the longest one I ever do) is an interview with Pastor Sam Jones of Religion Baptist Church in Hudson, Iowa. He and I’ve fully (and admittedly) completely different views on homosexuality and the position of a church within the lives of these within the LGBTQ+ neighborhood.

Nonetheless, I believed it was actually essential to take a seat down and have this dialog. I discovered about Pastor Sam via social media and, after a bit background analysis, approached him to have and file this dialog. I used to be comfy, primarily based on my analysis, that he and I may have a civil dialog with out our completely different viewpoints round this emotionally charged subject being a barrier.

I’m extremely proud of the dialog. We truly talked for one more 30 or 40 minutes after recording as effectively. I believe it’s essential to have the ability to sit down throughout from somebody with differing concepts than you and discuss with mutual respect. And that’s what we did.

Now I’ve a greater understanding of the place he’s coming from. I nonetheless disagree with it, however I can higher perceive it. And I hope he feels the identical. I do know he nonetheless disagrees with me, however I’d wish to suppose he understands me and my viewpoints a bit higher.

Flip Anger into Understanding

After I first heard Pastor Sam sharing his views on social media, I used to be full of anger. I used to be so upset that somebody may really feel the necessity to save our souls simply due to who we’re interested in or how we establish. I let my anger fester for a number of days. And I didn’t like that feeling. So I reframed it.

Most of my anger got here from not understanding how somebody may nonetheless maintain beliefs that I noticed as old-school and illiberal. So I took that curiosity and I did one thing about it. I reached out to Pastor Sam for an interview, laying out that my views had been completely different and that I needed an open dialog, and he instantly mentioned sure. No questions requested.

We each walked into the dialog realizing that we’d go away with the identical convictions we walked in with. I knew I wasn’t going to persuade him that homosexuality isn’t a sin (nor did I attempt), and he knew he wasn’t going to alter my gay-ness (nor did he attempt).

I do know the video is lengthy, however I’d suggest taking the possibility to observe it via. Irrespective of which “facet” you fall on, or how you’re feeling concerning the subject, I believe everybody can be taught a bit one thing from watching. I imply, I’m biased; it’s my content material, in any case. However I do know what the dialog did for me, and I hope watching can assist others.

Clarification on Gender

There’s one factor I wish to make clear from the dialogue. We skimmed proper over it and moved onto different subjects and through the interview didn’t really feel like the correct time to circle again (I imply, come on, it’s already 40 minutes).

Pastor Sam mentioned gender id as being fastened once we had been speaking about whether or not homosexuality is a selection. That is one other level we disagree on, however once more, the dialog simply naturally moved alongside to a different subject. I consider “intercourse” refers back to the organic elements like reproductive components, hormones, and all the opposite science stuff. Nonetheless, I believe “gender” refers to the way you establish. And I consider gender is a spectrum and never restricted to simply female and male. It’s not that black and white.

Once more, some extent we disagree on, however I wanted to make clear my standpoint there.

Whereas I’m on the subject of gender, I’ll be the primary to confess that I don’t have lots of publicity to the transgender world. I’m studying and persevering with to become involved in all elements of the LGBTQ+ neighborhood, however I’m conscious of how my method to this subject focuses on sexual orientation versus gender id. It’s what I do know.

Share Your Ideas

As at all times, if there are sources I ought to learn that can assist me discover this subject, please share. It’s a monster of a problem and exhausting to sift via what’s on the market.

I’m excited to see the dialog round this subject. Nonetheless, no hateful, derogatory, offensive, or in any other case aggressive feedback will likely be accepted. Be good. You’ll be able to share your ideas within the feedback under, or, as at all times, you possibly can ship me a non-public message. That is an emotionally charged subject and lots of of you’ll want to preserve your ideas off a public platform.

Additional Studying/Listening

You’ll be able to learn and take heed to extra of Pastor Sam’s viewpoints at The Shining Gentle Ministries.

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